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her husband, captain mark kelly, also testified. kelly's message, demanding change is not the same as taking away people's guns. >> we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up, just like gabby would never relinquish her gun, and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. >> giffords and kelly are pleading on behalf of common sense here. this is why gun safety opponents like the nra's wayne lapierre need to create multiple straw men instead of talking about the facts. the gun lobby will do anything to keep all guns free from restrictions. fewer restrictions means more sales, which means more money for gunmakers and manufacturers and guys like wayne lapierre. >> if you try to do this universal background check, which sounds whatever, it ends up being a universal federal nightmare imposed upon law abiding people all over this country. criminals will ignore it. so what is the point of the whole thing? >> this is lapierre's newest argument. a universal background check won't do anything, h
her husband, captain mark kelly, also testified. kelly's message, demanding change is not the same as taking away people's guns. >> we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up, just like gabby would never relinquish her gun, and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. >> giffords and kelly are pleading on behalf of common sense here. this is why gun safety opponents like the nra's wayne lapierre need to create multiple straw men...
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former congresswoman gabrielle giffords of arizona was led by the hand by her husband, mark kelly. it was two years ago this month that giffords was shot through the head during a meeting in tucson. 18 others were shot and six died. a day of testimony began with this: >> speaking is difficult, but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. it will be hard, but the time is now. you must act. be bold. be courageous. americans are counting on you. thank you. >> pelley: giffords, who is partially blind, resigned from congress last year. the rest of today's hearing featured gun control advocates and opponents, and our nancy cordes was there. >> reporter: at one end of the witness table was gabrielle giffords' husband. at the other was the c.e.o.st national rifle association, wayne lapierre, who argued new gun laws are nun necessary. >> the fact is we could dramatically cut crime in this country with guns and save lives all over this country if we would start enforcing the 9,000 federal laws we have
former congresswoman gabrielle giffords of arizona was led by the hand by her husband, mark kelly. it was two years ago this month that giffords was shot through the head during a meeting in tucson. 18 others were shot and six died. a day of testimony began with this: >> speaking is difficult, but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. it will be hard, but the time is now. you must act. be bold....
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giffords' husband, mark kelly, argued those restrictions would have lessened the carnage jared loughner could commit. >> in 15 seconds, he emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets, and there were 33 wounds. >> reporter: but gun rights advocate gail trotter argued one person's assault weapon is another's last line of defense. >> and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary-looking gun gives her more courage when she's fighting hardened, violent criminals. >> reporter: both sides agreed today the government need to crack down on straw purchasers people who buy guns for others who are often criminals. the chair of the senate judiciary committee, a democrat, says he plan to craft legislation that deals with some of these issues within the month. scott? >> pelley: and we should mention that jared loughner is serving multiple life terms now. nancy, thanks very much. the state of connecticut, where newtown is located
giffords' husband, mark kelly, argued those restrictions would have lessened the carnage jared loughner could commit. >> in 15 seconds, he emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets, and there were 33 wounds. >> reporter: but gun rights advocate gail trotter argued one person's assault weapon is another's last line of defense. >> and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attackers intruders in her home with her children screaming in...
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. >> mark kelly, husband of gabrielle giffords. >> rights demand responsibility. first, fix gun background checks. >> it is not a serious solution for reducing crime. >> the nra is clearly, dramatically out of step. >> lapierre dismissed background checks. >> background checks will never be universal. >> you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> because criminals will never submit to them. >> they will not go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. >> you missed the point completely. and i think it is basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> let there be order. >> i think you're missing it. >> let there be more. >> if chairman patrick leahy pressed lapierre. >> if you're a dealer, that is already the law. >> please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here, but if you could just answer the question. >> rights demand responsibility. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame. >> americans are looking to us for solutions and for action. >> this time must be different. >> the senate judiciary committee toda
. >> mark kelly, husband of gabrielle giffords. >> rights demand responsibility. first, fix gun background checks. >> it is not a serious solution for reducing crime. >> the nra is clearly, dramatically out of step. >> lapierre dismissed background checks. >> background checks will never be universal. >> you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> because criminals will never submit to them. >> they will not go...
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giffords' husband mark kelly cofounded the organization with her. he gave powerful testimony as well today. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up just like gabby would never relinquish her gun and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. and this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals. and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> one more thing i want you to see. following this morning's testimony, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with president obama in the oval office. so david corn, i show you all that and i ask how can the momentum to the extent that momentum exists right now on the president and the white house side, how can it be maintain snd how do you maintain that level of emotional testimony? >> well, it was quite an emotional moment watching gabby giffords get up there courageously a
giffords' husband mark kelly cofounded the organization with her. he gave powerful testimony as well today. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up just like gabby would never relinquish her gun and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. and this right does not...
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her husband, mark kelly, is already scheduled to appear before the panel. the couple has formed a political action group called americans for responsible solutions, and that promoting gun restrictions. also testifying today will be wayne lapierre, executive vice president of the national rifle association. >> after a one day palls on monday. stocks rallied a get on tuesday. the doubt is moving closer to the $14 and dollar mark. drug maker pfizer, one of the dow's 30 stocks helped with the search with help from a drug maker pfizer, the dollar is moving closer to 14,000. the s&p 500 gained eight points, while the nasdaq fell less than a point. watching research in motion. along a delay of blackberry attend lunches today. is it too little too late? or will this did research in motion back in the gang. reviewers like the browser split speed and the keyboard on rims and you touch screen. a feature called the black berry balance, which keeps corporate and personal data separate. where am stock was at 144 a share in 2008. if now is trading around 15 bucks a share.
her husband, mark kelly, is already scheduled to appear before the panel. the couple has formed a political action group called americans for responsible solutions, and that promoting gun restrictions. also testifying today will be wayne lapierre, executive vice president of the national rifle association. >> after a one day palls on monday. stocks rallied a get on tuesday. the doubt is moving closer to the $14 and dollar mark. drug maker pfizer, one of the dow's 30 stocks helped with the...
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also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun owner couldn't control her weapons, and those weapons were eventually used to kill her and to kill all of those children and those women educators in that school. so that is what one law abiding gun owner got us. >> that is a good point, lawrence. >> and that is what neil heslin was saying in his testimony, was that that woman should never have had those weapons in that home with -- you know, knowing
also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun...
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mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep. do not take intermezzo if you have had an allergic reaction to drugs containing zolpidem, such as ambien. allergic reactions such as shortness of breath or swelling of you
mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ]...
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giffords and her husband, mark kelly, are vowing to do whatever it takes for new gun safety measures, and we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male announcer ] just like you, business pro. just like you. go national. go like a pro. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident f
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the testimony from mark kelly, whose wife, gaby giffords was shot will be heard. and joining me is the author of "the last begun." you were a member of the nra, and the president calls his proposals common sense and critics say it's not going to do a lot to prevent mass shootings and would not have helped in new town, connecticut, if you had the ear of congress, which of the president's recommendations would you tell them to take up first? >> there are three things i would tell them to take up first. but the most important is to ban the high capacity magazines, they are ammunition feeding devices to make it possible to bring military fire power our schools and public gatherings and our churches. that's the most important thing. cut back on the ammunition capacity then go to the complete background check, meaning covering gun shows and private sales between individuals that account for 40% of all firearm sales in the united states and finally i would ban the high capacity semiautomatic rifles themselves. >> critics of the proposal of assault weapon's bans argued th
the testimony from mark kelly, whose wife, gaby giffords was shot will be heard. and joining me is the author of "the last begun." you were a member of the nra, and the president calls his proposals common sense and critics say it's not going to do a lot to prevent mass shootings and would not have helped in new town, connecticut, if you had the ear of congress, which of the president's recommendations would you tell them to take up first? >> there are three things i would tell...
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her husband former astronaut mark kelly also spoke. he said that while gun violence is a complex issue, that's no excuse for an accident. >> rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists, it does not extend to criminals, it does not extend to the mentally ill. when danger as people get guns we are all vulnerable. at the movies, at church, conducting our everyday business. time after time after time at school, on our campuses and and our children's classrooms. dangers people get dangerous guns and we are all the more vulnerable. dangerous people with weapons specifically designed to inflict maximum lethality upon others have turned every single corner of our society into places of carnage and gross human loss. >> you may have noticed during his comments the cameras switch to show the and are a is executive vice president wayne lapierre. he also had a chance to speak and said he favors steps like boasting school security and enforcing existing gun laws. we will let you know comes out of congress on this matter. >
her husband former astronaut mark kelly also spoke. he said that while gun violence is a complex issue, that's no excuse for an accident. >> rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists, it does not extend to criminals, it does not extend to the mentally ill. when danger as people get guns we are all vulnerable. at the movies, at church, conducting our everyday business. time after time after time at school, on our campuses and and our children's classrooms....
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kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this right does not extend to terrorists, it does not extend to criminals, and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> while wayne lapierre struck a posture less combative than previous press conferences, his views remain questionable, calling for an immediate blanket of security at schools, lapierre dismissed universal background checks, saying criminals would never submit to them. chairman leahy pressed lapierre on background checks and whether and how the nra head had changed his mind on closing gun show loopholes. >> should we have mandatory bac
kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this...
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on the other side, mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords will thereby to support new gun control rules. and we hear now that giffords herself may speak at the beginning of that hearing. >>> developing story out of alabama. police trying to negotiate with a gunman who is holding a six-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. it all started at 4:00 p.m. yesterday in midland city. the 65-year-old suspect boarded a school bus, shot the driver, and grabbed a boy. >> he started telling him he needed a kid because something about the law coming after him. then he shot the bus driver and the driver's foot was on the gas and we went backwards and everybody started screaming and then the bus driver was still there and we just all got off the bus and went to a neighbor's house. >> gretchen: unfortunately the bus driver did die. swat team members still on the scene of that house. they've been communicating with the gunman. we're told the child needs medication and the suspect has allowed police to provide it. >>> check out this brand-new high-tech cargo airship
on the other side, mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords will thereby to support new gun control rules. and we hear now that giffords herself may speak at the beginning of that hearing. >>> developing story out of alabama. police trying to negotiate with a gunman who is holding a six-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. it all started at 4:00 p.m. yesterday in midland city. the 65-year-old suspect boarded a school bus, shot the driver, and grabbed...
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americans are counting on you. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly, also testified. so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's definitely going to be a universal background check. i think most in law enforcement would agree that a universal background check certainly would make it more difficult for people who are trying to get weapons, keep them out of their hands. in fact from 1994 to 2009, nearly two million prohibited purchases were stopped. so we know this is going to work. obviously increasing penalties for those who try to straw purchase for someone else, i really think this will ve a tremendous impact. >> so wayne la pierre of the nra doesn't agree with you. at the hearing yesterday he said that criminals will
americans are counting on you. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly, also testified. so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's...
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she will be joined by her husband, mark kelly. they face off with wayne lapierre. it's the first senate hearing on gun violence. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> i'd like to be able to sit down with the nra at some point and talk to them about this. i know a lot of members of the nra. i've thought about joining at one point. this is just happening way too frequently. we can't have another 20 first graders murdered in their classroom. >> lapierre has released the statement he plans to deliver today. unsurprising will he, he will denounce a proposed assault weapons ban. somewhat more surprisingly, he will come out aggressively against the background checks bill which a lot of folks thought the nra would quietly not fight too hard. he'll say this "law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent or deranges. criminals, have been around for over 100 years. background checks will never be universal because criminals will never submit to them." giffords and kelly will appear on the panel several weeks afte
she will be joined by her husband, mark kelly. they face off with wayne lapierre. it's the first senate hearing on gun violence. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> i'd like to be able to sit down with the nra at some point and talk to them about this. i know a lot of members of the nra. i've thought about joining at one point. this is just happening way too frequently. we can't have another 20 first graders murdered in their classroom....
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gabby giffords' husband, mark kelly. >> and that's the difference. other victims are now speaking up, and to see gabby yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters, and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. >> i ws going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american conversation. thank you, congresswoman carolyn mccarthy of new york and ron reagan. >>> we have one more note about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. yesterday we told you about 15-year-old hadiya pendleton of chicago who was fatally shot in what may have been a gang turf war after having performed in washington with her high school band for the inaugural music festival. it all happened since then. we learned in 2008 she was featured in a video speaking out against gun violence. here is part of that video. >> so many children are fearing gangs, and it's your job as students to say no to gan
gabby giffords' husband, mark kelly. >> and that's the difference. other victims are now speaking up, and to see gabby yesterday and her husband by her side talking about this, these were strong nra supporters, and yet they see what can be done. >> i think -- >> 20 dead first graders -- >> go ahead, ron. >> i ws going to say in closing, 20 dead first graders has a way of concentrating the mind. >> right. >> it's a serious conversation. it's an american...
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see him there in the middle of the -- that's mark kelly, but he's there as well. there he is in the glasses. shaking hands with mark kelly, lapierre, pretty much against everything on the table, regarding gun control, including those universal background checks, that's been proposed. listen to wayne lapierre's exchange with senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> talking about gun shows. should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? for sales of weapons? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. if you're -- >> that's not my question. please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not because the fact is the law now is a failure the way it is working. >> joe johns, let me bring you in here for me in washington. we have been
see him there in the middle of the -- that's mark kelly, but he's there as well. there he is in the glasses. shaking hands with mark kelly, lapierre, pretty much against everything on the table, regarding gun control, including those universal background checks, that's been proposed. listen to wayne lapierre's exchange with senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> talking about gun shows. should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? for sales of...
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mark kelly who's the husband of a victim of gun violence, he's going to be there. he's obviously been somebody who's been outspoken in terms of what they would like to do in terms of future things. the other thing, republicans were able to put two of the panelists on there. it's the first conversation that will spark many other hearing at the judiciary committee. >> i want to close by talking about two articles from you all. some of your latest piece pieces. first one perry, on the agree owe, on debt ceiling obama forces republicans to blink. >> their policy they call it the boehner rule. for every dollar increase in this debt ceiling we have to have a dollar in cuts to match that. the president said earlier this month, i'm not doing that anymore. we are not going to keep negotiating over the debt ceiling. this is our obligation over. the republicans have conceded the president had won the argument and are now -- this week they ebb extended the debt ceiling with no accompanied spending cuts. the republicans will cede that issue to him. >> your latest article, mitt
mark kelly who's the husband of a victim of gun violence, he's going to be there. he's obviously been somebody who's been outspoken in terms of what they would like to do in terms of future things. the other thing, republicans were able to put two of the panelists on there. it's the first conversation that will spark many other hearing at the judiciary committee. >> i want to close by talking about two articles from you all. some of your latest piece pieces. first one perry, on the agree...
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here is the station master, harry kelly, in his own words. >> this is my office. it's exciting to be here. >> i'm the superintendent of building services of gct, grand central terminal. >> the way people barge in and out, you would think it was grand central station. >> a lot of people say "station." terminal, it's a terminal, because trains start and finish here. >> we go back since 1974. i'm always walking. visibility is a big thing. i can't sit still. the tennis court, it is a secret in a way. a lot of people don't realize it's here. the ceiling was very dirty. there's one spot that was left intact on top of track 30, shows you how dirty the ceiling actually was. this is the elevator that will take you to the furthest floor below grand central. power department, generators and stuff like that. >> everything is automatic now. time moves on. what are you going to do? >> the 454 train going to north white plains, the train departs from track number 102a on the lower level. >> 51:15 from new haven is running late. 98% on time now. it's too dull sometimes when -- be
here is the station master, harry kelly, in his own words. >> this is my office. it's exciting to be here. >> i'm the superintendent of building services of gct, grand central terminal. >> the way people barge in and out, you would think it was grand central station. >> a lot of people say "station." terminal, it's a terminal, because trains start and finish here. >> we go back since 1974. i'm always walking. visibility is a big thing. i can't sit still....
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>>steve: mark kelly says he and his wife are gun owners who have no plans to give up their weapons. even though they did think about joining the n.r.a. so can there be a compromise? joining us is fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano. that's the question. can you adjust the laws as they are without changing the constitution? >> the people who support the second amendment, of which i am one, believe that an adjustment here, a tweaking there will open up the door way to more adjustments in the future and ultimately the government will be able to choose who carries guns. and one of the things that has kept the country free is fear in the back of the mind of someone who might try to become a tyrant that way out there are a lot of people who have the fire power to prevent tyranny here. so that's one argument. the other argument underlying the second amendment is that the decision to use a weapon to protect your life, your liberty, your children, your property is an individual decision and not a government decision. because it's an aspect of self-defense. and that's an
>>steve: mark kelly says he and his wife are gun owners who have no plans to give up their weapons. even though they did think about joining the n.r.a. so can there be a compromise? joining us is fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano. that's the question. can you adjust the laws as they are without changing the constitution? >> the people who support the second amendment, of which i am one, believe that an adjustment here, a tweaking there will open up the door...
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. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly also spoke along with the nra's wayne lapierre. tonight anderson cooper is looking at both sides of the debate in "guns under fire" this is an "ac360" town hall special tonight at 8:00 on cnn, it's going to be really interesting. as they debated gun control in washington another shooting was unfolding. arizona police are searching for the 70-year-old man they say is responsible for a deadly shooting in phoenix. the suspect, arthur douglas harmon was attending a meeting at a law office when he allegedly opened fire. 48 man was killed, two others wounded in the attack. harmon took off in a 2013 kia optima. police say he opened fire on a witness who tried to follow him. >>> hackers invading the "new york times" have finally been blocked at least for now. this is an amazing story. these hackers out of china have been attacking "the times" over the past four months, infiltrating their computer systems and stealing passwords. the papers say the timing of the attack related or not happens to coincide with their investigative report that r
. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly also spoke along with the nra's wayne lapierre. tonight anderson cooper is looking at both sides of the debate in "guns under fire" this is an "ac360" town hall special tonight at 8:00 on cnn, it's going to be really interesting. as they debated gun control in washington another shooting was unfolding. arizona police are searching for the 70-year-old man they say is responsible for a deadly shooting in phoenix. the suspect, arthur...
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you have mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman and mass shooting survivor gabby giffords. >>> now, to that absolutely horrible nightclub fire in brazil. we're getting new information here from state media, reporting that three arrests have been made, and a fourth person is being sought, which, in this whole fire, claimed the lives thus far of 231 people. this is how it played out on brazilian television. look at these people, and the smoke here. the smoke pouring out of the overcrowded club as people, unconscious, were dragged one after the other after the other on to the sidewalk. witnesses say the ceiling there caught fire when the band lit some sort of pyrotechnic device. a stagehand reported ly tried t put it out, but the fire extinguisher didn't work. the flames spread within minutes. december pr desperate onlookers tried to break holes in walls to get people out. one person describes trying to get out of there. >> translator: when i was trying to get out, the staff stopped me and i yelled, fire, fire, but the security guards were not realizing what was going on. i thin
you have mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman and mass shooting survivor gabby giffords. >>> now, to that absolutely horrible nightclub fire in brazil. we're getting new information here from state media, reporting that three arrests have been made, and a fourth person is being sought, which, in this whole fire, claimed the lives thus far of 231 people. this is how it played out on brazilian television. look at these people, and the smoke here. the smoke pouring out of the...
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you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun violence. two staunch supporters of the second amendment, two very different views on guns. >> they are god given freedoms. they belong to us in the united states of america as our birth right. no government gave them to us and no government can ever take them away. >> i defended the second amendment flying in combat over iraq in kuwait, you know, defending our country. i own a gun. this really isn't about the second amendment. >> reporter: these will be the star witnesses at congresses' first hearing since the shooting in newtown. mark kelly, the husband of gabby giffords who was
you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun...